There are still a lot more of us, and we have the benefit of ferocity when it comes to protecting the world we want our kids to inherit. While I have 4 kids (4 years of age and under) I get a bit disappointed when my husband and I are on a date next to a screaming kid. His name is Jamar. That is just cruel in my opinion, if the child is too young to understand. Fortunately our daughter was always well-behaved, but while it has been irritating to be on a plane with screaming kids, I never would have dreamed of asking that family not to fly. So maybe a combination of parents using common sense of where they can take their children and teaching children appropriate behavior might help make the outings more enjoyable. This is a perfectly acceptable rule. I, too, struggle with the idea of children being catered to in worship. when the going gets rough (heck, I even do the t.v. Exchanged some words of sympathy and laughs with other mom, and went on my way. I think they’re a great idea. By the way, I have 3 really well behaved kids that I wouldn’t hesitate to snatch out of their seats for a trip to the bathroom if they were disturbing other people’s meals or entertainment. I think the problem might be the definition of “proper” behavior. Now, banning kids from 1st class on an airline is a mistake. Grant you i wish they would of removed the kid. Most kids already feel excluded from their parents’ lives. If my kid squirms in a restaurant, I take her outside. If we were doing what we should be as responsible, mature parents, we wouldn’t try to take our fussy baby to an adult movie, or allow our toddler to endlessly kick the sit in front of them on an airplane. Of the four countries I have lived in, America is the least tolerant of children. Yes I ate cold meals at restaurants because what we thought would work didn’t and we ended up eating in shifts. I am working on my Marriage and Family therapy degree with eleven years in behavioral modification counseling. I’d suggest getting to know the family and then gently bring up how the child reacts in quiet settings. I’m the first one to bristle at being told I can’t go somewhere or do something. Which is really more of a problem for society? About planes, it would be nice if we could actually use our frequent flyer miles when we wanted and where. I mostly blocked it out, or tried to offer reassurance to the beside-themselves parents that we understood, or just felt sorry for them. I have been in many restaurants and movies, etc where the adults were behaving out of line. Check out their videos, sign up to chat, and join their community. Engage this family:) Invite them over, find out what they are looking for in a church, and see if they are interested in the idea of “family ministry” There are lots of ways to facilitate the presence of children within the service. As out society has become more and more litigious… store, restaurant, and transportation owners, have become (and I certainly understand why), less likely to establish, what used to be considered, common sense rules, that patrons are expected to abide by. So I actually don’t think it is unreasonable to have a sign that says “No screaming children are allowed.”. Also, have you seen their new cellphone advert? It. I watch a 4 yr old granddaughter for our neighbor. Honestly sometimes the best of children have meltdowns. The couple that practically makes out in the booth across from you. puppy. When out, I was expected to be on my best behavior- if I whined or threw a tantrum, we left. He was distracted, I was distracted, no one was happy. I love kids. I think a business should be able to make their own rules about having a minimum age to enter, but at the same time I think it’s a bad business idea to exclude the kids. My parents (the hippy generation) have called out of control behavior “just a phase” where as my grandparents, in the same situation, have encouraged us to take the child out of the restaurant, discipline them, and return them once they are willing to act appropriately. couldn’t agree more!! If it’s because the scenario is not appropriate/safe for children (i.e. In some ways the church is the worst! For example, I know one family with 6 kids and they find it funny to go to a movie and see how loud and rude they can be and the COUNT the number of people that leave. She knows that she can run around and be a maniac at home but behaves in public. Perhaps there should be a ban on these parents who are disgraceful and feel it’s their child’s”right” to act as a monster in public places and demand the majority of the rest of us to tolerate!Well… THE MAJORITY WINS and those parents whether they realize it or not..are out voted (one brat to dozens of decent, polite people) Most respectful parents who bother to teach their child(ren) proper public behavior..agree that there SHOULD be some kids free zoned restaurants, flights,etc. We don’t (or aren’t supposed to) shun other segments of society. We do not hit them because we don’t want them to hit others. I think a ban is ridiculous, but the restaurant has every right to ask children to leave that are not behaving. I don’t mind whining, crying, screaming, misbehaving children [i]as long as I see their parents attempting to do something about it[/i]. And judging by the corporate world’s general attitude toward children (especially YOUNG children), the kids’ places are not going to be maintained as well as the adult places. The Surrey RCMP Kid Zone is a fun activity centre for you that is designed to help teach you about safety and other issues. Imagine this idea in a place where children are loved and adored and seen as a heritage, rather than a commercial commodity, that are born demanding a college degree…, I have to say that when there is a revolting snively grotty wining kid around in an restaurant or store you don’t usually have to look to far for the corresponding adult who is setting the tone who is behaving even worse than their kids…. One week my childcare fell through last minute and I was really nervous about taking her with me. At first glance, I read this post and thought–“Much of this is straight up discrimination–right up there with race/class discrimination.” (The movie theatre stuff is the exception–I live in Austin and love their Tuesday Baby Days.) So why should they be able to ban someone based on age? So our disregard for really getting to know our kids and loving spending time with them, including them in our games, our outings, our enjoyments, as much as we do theirs; expecting much of them (because they are capable of respecting us) as we respect them ……. Sometimes I’ll just go and wait in the car with my kiddo while my husband finishes up. I think more than anything we should be less judgmental and more understanding when we see a fussy kid in public and parents may not feel so under pressure or judged. However I also place a lot of blame on how permissive parenting has become. Ree's new book Frontier Follies is a down-to-earth, hilarious collection of stories and musings on marriage, motherhood, and country life. What I would prefer is for business to have the full backing of law and society to kick out those who are disruptive, for whatever reason. My husband and I have raised 10 children,and now have 17 grand children. My four kids are relatively well-behaved, but they have their moments, too. I think if children are well-mannered for their age no one would have a problem with them but some parents aren’t teaching their children appropriate behavior for public venues and it’s frustrating to those who have to put up with it. I agree with many of the other commenters, that its less about society being less child friendly and more about parents not having common sense and putting their kids into situations that are not child friendly to begin with, like late night movies and date night restaurants. It would be best if they offer child-care next door , I love taking my daughter out to restaurants, art galleries and other venues that aren’t specifically kid orientated. Yet. I used to be offended by the ban on children. I have an almost 3-year-old and a 9 month old baby. Was this a lot of work? If you tell them “no” to something they really want, they will wear their emotions on their sleeve. My fear is more about who would be taking care of her. Though I do agree that there are parents who fail to discipline in public I feel like any time a child acts out in public, a parent is labeled as one of those parents. Holding my 3 week old baby boy, I greeted the woman and engaged her in conversation. Does this say anything about how our culture views — and deals with — children? hah! As for the airline tickets…. Hmmmmmm……let us take that thought a little further and then see if you still think it is a good and wise statement. There are so many parents out there who are in complete denial about their children’s behavior and think they poop roses. As a mother of young children I’m appalled at how some parents allow their children to speak to them. Unfortunately, this trend is gaining strength not due to children, in my opinion, but due to poor parenting. I think it’s sad when parents consistently seem to have no control, OR are always looking for ways (and the cultural trend seems to be this) to get rid of their kids so they can do their thing ‘in peace’ rather than engage and instruct and model what is proper and good to their kids. You are free to be their customer or not. Maybe they are uncomfortable with the nursery because they don’t know the workers and desperately want to feel included in the service instead of ostracized in the hallways. I can count on one hand. Also, I won’t attend a church where it wasn’t okay for me to have my child in the service with me for any reason, which is why I love that our church loudly proclaims we are okay with babies and kiddos). Le coin des enfants de la GRC de Surrey propose des activités amusantes conçues pour renseigner les enfants sur la sécurité et d'autres thèmes. . But when it comes to entertainment and eating out- that’s a new phenomenon, because 50 years ago NO ONE went “out” at the rate we’ve become so accustomed to. I am disgusted by poor or passive parenting, which has become the norm. I prefer not to sit next to a bigger person on an airplane who makes me crowded. I understand that parents should know when it’s appropriate to take their children to certain places and when it’s not. I also can not imagine children being banned from church. Being the mother of 5 (now mostly grown) and the grandmother of 3…I do not consider myself ‘anti-children’. I am a responsible parent and do my best to keep my girls at an appropriate level of noise and remove them for an ‘adjustment’ if they do not respond to me but have noticed some people do not. adults are much more in control over their behavior than kids. The noise was so deafening I couldn’t hear myself think. Or is it a wakeup call to raise our children to know that Mom and Dad mean business whether we are home or out to eat. Something has gone a little wonky when the child is seen as the problem. They get really upset IF an adult complains about their loud, rude or untamed child(ren)!! I agree. For the most part it’s not pretty. I agree. It might do them good to remember that if their kid is screaming, then they are probably NOT enjoying themselves any more than the people around them are at that moment! Do you say something? There were times when they got fidgety but we took them for a walk through the train. Here’s where I got lucky; she never tested me till she was old enough for this, around 3&1/2. My kids have learned to behave in certain situations because we’ve brought them to restaurants, movies etc. (And if she started acting up or causing a scene you can be sure I would get my food to go and try again another time!). My children also sit through church and can behave well in all sorts of situations. it needs to be done from day one. It makes me very sad. Web Star Born in Australia #27. Then they are grown and asking for the car keys and we would give anything to shrink them back to that age for just a day. No Zone Ally 168,00 € 151,95 € Tailles disponibles. Why not have some areas that are just not for kids. I often get compliments from others at how well behaved our children are (3 & 4). There are some places and events that don’t make sense for children to be at – it’s not fair to the kids or the adults. My husband often reminds me that the Bible doesn’t only say children are a blessing. The problem is parents disagree about what is appropriate for their children. Phew, that was long. I just think it’s amazing that we are banning children from public places before smoking! People want kid free zones because some parents allow their children to be brats. As I child I was expected to behave a certain way, especially when in public. I’ve seen people watch Harry Potter, in the middle of the day, with a bucket full of Coronas in front of them and would never consider it an appropriate venue for kids. How can we expect our children to grow up courteous and respectful when their own parents aren’t? I just don’t think people consider each other any longer. 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